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		<title>By: The Mono Firefight</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Mono Firefight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Monobuntu Developer Summit notes from the indefatigable Jo Shields. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nouveautés prévues pour Ubuntu Karmic (9.10) &#171; Informatique de Julien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nouveautés prévues pour Ubuntu Karmic (9.10) &#171; Informatique de Julien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rhythmbox resterait le lecteur par défaut, sauf si certains bugs bloquants de Banshee sont corrigés avant le 27 Août (Feature Freeze). Dans ce cas c&#8217;est Banshee qui serait par défaut. (source) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rhythmbox resterait le lecteur par défaut, sauf si certains bugs bloquants de Banshee sont corrigés avant le 27 Août (Feature Freeze). Dans ce cas c&#8217;est Banshee qui serait par défaut. (source) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: onli blogging</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/105/comment-page-1/#comment-1215</link>
		<dc:creator>onli blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Warum freie Software nicht von Mono oder C# abhängig sein sollte...&lt;/strong&gt;

Richard Stallman hat am 26.06. in einem offenen Brief (via) anlässlich der Einbindung Monos in die Standardinstallation von Debian dazu aufgerufen, sich nicht von C# abhängig zu machen. Das Problem seien nicht die freien Implementierungen von C#, sonde...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Warum freie Software nicht von Mono oder C# abhängig sein sollte&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Richard Stallman hat am 26.06. in einem offenen Brief (via) anlässlich der Einbindung Monos in die Standardinstallation von Debian dazu aufgerufen, sich nicht von C# abhängig zu machen. Das Problem seien nicht die freien Implementierungen von C#, sonde&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KeithCu</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/105/comment-page-1/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator>KeithCu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>se2009,

Who cares what is said in a sales conversation by a Microsoft employee? Instead, let&#039;s focus on making Linux better than Windows in every way.</description>
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<p>Who cares what is said in a sales conversation by a Microsoft employee? Instead, let&#8217;s focus on making Linux better than Windows in every way.</p>
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		<title>By: se2009</title>
		<link>http://apebox.org/wordpress/linux/105/comment-page-1/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>se2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used f-spot without knowing that it relies on Mono. After getting into the Banshee vs. Rhythmbox discussion I am inclined to get rid of f-spot as well. 
At first against all claims Rhythmbox works for me better than Banshee but I have to confess Banshee looks more shiny. Rhythmbox can read and write my Ipod as well, has last.fm and podcast implementation, has extra features like watched music folders, etc. And it is a rumour that the development of Rhythmbox is or will be stopped. 
On the other hand there are real patent issues to Mono. Please read the first comment of http://www.osnews.com/thread?304661 
And the possible patent holder is not any company it is Microsoft. And despite developers bring forward good technical arguments for using Mono, in the end business (CEO, CIO) will make the decisions and not the developers. And Microsoft will make money and not community decisions.  

IF MONO will get deeper rooted into GNU/Linux desktop, I can imagine the sales conversation of a Microsoft representative, boasting that without support of Microsoft GNU/Linux would be not as successful as it is. The image of strong Microsoft helping the weak GNU/Linux community can destroy the trust of customers in Linux and drive them to Microsoft products.
And not to be misunderstood out of the same reason I stay away from Google products as Picasa, Chrome, Gmail, etc. as well. In the end you always have to pay with something, - personal data, less decision possiblities, money for future licenses, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used f-spot without knowing that it relies on Mono. After getting into the Banshee vs. Rhythmbox discussion I am inclined to get rid of f-spot as well.<br />
At first against all claims Rhythmbox works for me better than Banshee but I have to confess Banshee looks more shiny. Rhythmbox can read and write my Ipod as well, has last.fm and podcast implementation, has extra features like watched music folders, etc. And it is a rumour that the development of Rhythmbox is or will be stopped.<br />
On the other hand there are real patent issues to Mono. Please read the first comment of <a href="http://www.osnews.com/thread?304661" rel="nofollow">http://www.osnews.com/thread?304661</a><br />
And the possible patent holder is not any company it is Microsoft. And despite developers bring forward good technical arguments for using Mono, in the end business (CEO, CIO) will make the decisions and not the developers. And Microsoft will make money and not community decisions.  </p>
<p>IF MONO will get deeper rooted into GNU/Linux desktop, I can imagine the sales conversation of a Microsoft representative, boasting that without support of Microsoft GNU/Linux would be not as successful as it is. The image of strong Microsoft helping the weak GNU/Linux community can destroy the trust of customers in Linux and drive them to Microsoft products.<br />
And not to be misunderstood out of the same reason I stay away from Google products as Picasa, Chrome, Gmail, etc. as well. In the end you always have to pay with something, &#8211; personal data, less decision possiblities, money for future licenses, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: alphaomega</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphaomega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 01:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-828&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@neighborlee&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;d just like to point out that Pamela Jones IS NOT A LAWYER. Her article was also about the Moonlight 1.0 covenant, not Mono. There is a HUGE difference, especially considering that Moonlight 1.0 does not use Mono at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-828" rel="nofollow">@neighborlee</a>, I&#8217;d just like to point out that Pamela Jones IS NOT A LAWYER. Her article was also about the Moonlight 1.0 covenant, not Mono. There is a HUGE difference, especially considering that Moonlight 1.0 does not use Mono at all.</p>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
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		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who have ever dealt with large companies, Sam&#039;s piece comes across as naive at best, and deceitful at worst. 1 month is not a long time when dealing with large multi-nationals. I once didn&#039;t receive a reply for 3 months from HP over a query - and that query was &quot;we have $100,000 to spend, what&#039;ve you got?&quot;. You need to badger people - remind them. And even then it may take a large length of time to get to you. Or they might decide to search for you on Goog, erm, whatever their crap new search engine is, to see if you&#039;re a timewaster... and decide to simply ignore your message on that basis.

So no, Sam&#039;s little article isn&#039;t proof of anything other than a gross lack of comprehension in how to approach large companies.

As for you, Lee, you appear to have a major issue with cognitive dissonance. &quot;Force&quot; doesn&#039;t mean what you think it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who have ever dealt with large companies, Sam&#8217;s piece comes across as naive at best, and deceitful at worst. 1 month is not a long time when dealing with large multi-nationals. I once didn&#8217;t receive a reply for 3 months from HP over a query &#8211; and that query was &#8220;we have $100,000 to spend, what&#8217;ve you got?&#8221;. You need to badger people &#8211; remind them. And even then it may take a large length of time to get to you. Or they might decide to search for you on Goog, erm, whatever their crap new search engine is, to see if you&#8217;re a timewaster&#8230; and decide to simply ignore your message on that basis.</p>
<p>So no, Sam&#8217;s little article isn&#8217;t proof of anything other than a gross lack of comprehension in how to approach large companies.</p>
<p>As for you, Lee, you appear to have a major issue with cognitive dissonance. &#8220;Force&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean what you think it means.</p>
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		<title>By: neighborlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>neighborlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or do we forget the fact that, the touted ECMA license is NON EXISTANT ,, so much for the mono supporters attempt to force all this NON open source software down everyones throat..remember GROKLAW, and the lawyer retained that verified that indeed moonlight isn&#039;t what you all said it was..and of course we have the ecma issue now for mono...moonlight mono..hmm tisk tisk .

http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/ &lt; OH , im sorry, maybe you dont want people to know about this nor do you want to seemingly answer questions about it...maybe this isn&#039;t the best place to post this, and maybe with the more FREE fedora removing mono that it wont matter soon, but hey sometimes the truth hurts doens&#039;t it, and that truth should always be made available to even those that othewise might not know , thereby forcing things on people they aren&#039;t aware of ,nor would they want IF they knew about them.

Maybe you should just stick to python &amp; /or  c++, like gnotes ? :)

cheers
nl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or do we forget the fact that, the touted ECMA license is NON EXISTANT ,, so much for the mono supporters attempt to force all this NON open source software down everyones throat..remember GROKLAW, and the lawyer retained that verified that indeed moonlight isn&#8217;t what you all said it was..and of course we have the ecma issue now for mono&#8230;moonlight mono..hmm tisk tisk .</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/" rel="nofollow">http://www.itwire.com/content/view/25215/1090/</a> &lt; OH , im sorry, maybe you dont want people to know about this nor do you want to seemingly answer questions about it&#8230;maybe this isn&#8217;t the best place to post this, and maybe with the more FREE fedora removing mono that it wont matter soon, but hey sometimes the truth hurts doens&#8217;t it, and that truth should always be made available to even those that othewise might not know , thereby forcing things on people they aren&#8217;t aware of ,nor would they want IF they knew about them.</p>
<p>Maybe you should just stick to python &amp; /or  c++, like gnotes ? :)</p>
<p>cheers<br />
nl</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Millan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Millan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for:

&gt; as it stands today, Banshee is a better app with a brighter future. It’s those who deny that who are the ones who care about the language it’s written in

Well I don&#039;t have a goddam clue which is the better app.  I play my music by running mplayer from command-line.  But I think it&#039;s clear why I dislike the decision, so please don&#039;t play straw man with me.

Anyway, from what I understood, this decision is not final yet, is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for:</p>
<p>&gt; as it stands today, Banshee is a better app with a brighter future. It’s those who deny that who are the ones who care about the language it’s written in</p>
<p>Well I don&#8217;t have a goddam clue which is the better app.  I play my music by running mplayer from command-line.  But I think it&#8217;s clear why I dislike the decision, so please don&#8217;t play straw man with me.</p>
<p>Anyway, from what I understood, this decision is not final yet, is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Millan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Millan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Understand?

Oh, sure I understand the difference.  Nevertheless I think it clouds your vision, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Understand?</p>
<p>Oh, sure I understand the difference.  Nevertheless I think it clouds your vision, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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