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		<title>By: directhex</title>
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		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1667&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Michel S.&lt;/a&gt;, a happy coincidence which I&#039;ve embraced fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1667" rel="nofollow">@Michel S.</a>, a happy coincidence which I&#8217;ve embraced fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Fedora Mono packager, I must say I have seen anti-Mono sentiments discourage people from improving our Mono stack, which is a shame. Great article!

By the way, do you intentionally pick a name that abbreviates to CLR (cf. Common Language Runtime) or is that just an added bonus of starting with a &quot;chicken little&quot; theme?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Fedora Mono packager, I must say I have seen anti-Mono sentiments discourage people from improving our Mono stack, which is a shame. Great article!</p>
<p>By the way, do you intentionally pick a name that abbreviates to CLR (cf. Common Language Runtime) or is that just an added bonus of starting with a &#8220;chicken little&#8221; theme?</p>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1592&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@jdetras&lt;/a&gt;, Okay, alternate customization 101.

* Copy the contents of an existing ISO to disk
* Remove any packages you want to remove, or add new ones in the obvious place in pool
* Edit the preseed file to add/remove anything that needs to be altered to change the default install (not needed if you add/remove things which are a Recommends: of another package already on the install list)
* Go to an empty folder, extract the source package for ubuntu-keyring, import it, and re-export it with your own key added. Build the package, replace the CD&#039;s copy with your edited copy
* Go to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/ and download the override files for your release (override.$FOO.main, extra.main, restricted, main.debian-installer and restricted.debian-installer)
* Create a file called apt.conf someplace with the following contents (fix values as appropriate):
&lt;pre&gt;APT::FTPArchive::Release::Origin &quot;Ubuntu&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Label &quot;Ubuntu&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Suite &quot;warty&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Version &quot;4.10&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Codename &quot;warty&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Architectures &quot;hppa&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Components &quot;main restricted&quot;;
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Description &quot;Ubuntu Warty&quot;;&lt;/pre&gt;
* Create apt-ftparchive-deb.conf:
&lt;pre&gt;Dir {
   ArchiveDir &quot;/path/to/staging/folder&quot;;
};

TreeDefault {
   Directory &quot;pool/&quot;;
};

BinDirectory &quot;pool/main&quot; {
   Packages &quot;dists/warty/main/binary-hppa/Packages&quot;;
   BinOverride &quot;/path/to/override.warty.main&quot;;
   ExtraOverride &quot;/path/to/override.warty.extra.main&quot;;
};

BinDirectory &quot;pool/restricted&quot; {
   Packages &quot;dists/warty/restricted/binary-hppa/Packages&quot;;
   BinOverride &quot;/path/to/override.warty.restricted&quot;;
};

Default {
   Packages {
      Extensions &quot;.deb&quot;;
      Compress &quot;. gzip&quot;;
   };
};

Contents {
   Compress &quot;gzip&quot;;
};&lt;/pre&gt;
* And again in apt-ftparchive-udeb.conf:
&lt;pre&gt;Dir {
   ArchiveDir &quot;/path/to/staging/folder&quot;;
};

TreeDefault {
   Directory &quot;pool/&quot;;
};

BinDirectory &quot;pool/main&quot; {
   Packages &quot;dists/warty/main/debian-installer/binary-hppa/Packages&quot;;
   BinOverride &quot;/path/to/override.warty.main.debian-installer&quot;;
};

BinDirectory &quot;pool/restricted&quot; {
   Packages &quot;dists/warty/restricted/debian-installer/binary-hppa/Packages&quot;;
   BinOverride &quot;/path/to/override.dapper.restricted.debian-installer&quot;;
};

Default {
   Packages {
      Extensions &quot;.deb&quot;;
      Compress &quot;. gzip&quot;;
   };
};

Contents {
   Compress &quot;gzip&quot;;
};&lt;/pre&gt;

* Inside your staging folder, run:
&lt;pre&gt;apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf
apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-udeb.conf
apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf release dists/warty &#124; tee dists/warty/Release
gpg --default-key MY_GPG_KEY_ID --output dists/warty/Release.gpg -ba dists/warty/Release
find . -type f -print0 &#124; xargs -0 md5sum &#124; tee md5sum.txt
mkisofs -r -V &quot;Chicken Little Remix&quot; -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /tmp/clr.iso .&lt;/pre&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1592" rel="nofollow">@jdetras</a>, Okay, alternate customization 101.</p>
<p>* Copy the contents of an existing ISO to disk<br />
* Remove any packages you want to remove, or add new ones in the obvious place in pool<br />
* Edit the preseed file to add/remove anything that needs to be altered to change the default install (not needed if you add/remove things which are a Recommends: of another package already on the install list)<br />
* Go to an empty folder, extract the source package for ubuntu-keyring, import it, and re-export it with your own key added. Build the package, replace the CD&#8217;s copy with your edited copy<br />
* Go to <a href="http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/" rel="nofollow">http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/indices/</a> and download the override files for your release (override.$FOO.main, extra.main, restricted, main.debian-installer and restricted.debian-installer)<br />
* Create a file called apt.conf someplace with the following contents (fix values as appropriate):</p>
<pre>APT::FTPArchive::Release::Origin "Ubuntu";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Label "Ubuntu";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Suite "warty";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Version "4.10";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Codename "warty";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Architectures "hppa";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Components "main restricted";
APT::FTPArchive::Release::Description "Ubuntu Warty";</pre>
<p>* Create apt-ftparchive-deb.conf:</p>
<pre>Dir {
   ArchiveDir "/path/to/staging/folder";
};

TreeDefault {
   Directory "pool/";
};

BinDirectory "pool/main" {
   Packages "dists/warty/main/binary-hppa/Packages";
   BinOverride "/path/to/override.warty.main";
   ExtraOverride "/path/to/override.warty.extra.main";
};

BinDirectory "pool/restricted" {
   Packages "dists/warty/restricted/binary-hppa/Packages";
   BinOverride "/path/to/override.warty.restricted";
};

Default {
   Packages {
      Extensions ".deb";
      Compress ". gzip";
   };
};

Contents {
   Compress "gzip";
};</pre>
<p>* And again in apt-ftparchive-udeb.conf:</p>
<pre>Dir {
   ArchiveDir "/path/to/staging/folder";
};

TreeDefault {
   Directory "pool/";
};

BinDirectory "pool/main" {
   Packages "dists/warty/main/debian-installer/binary-hppa/Packages";
   BinOverride "/path/to/override.warty.main.debian-installer";
};

BinDirectory "pool/restricted" {
   Packages "dists/warty/restricted/debian-installer/binary-hppa/Packages";
   BinOverride "/path/to/override.dapper.restricted.debian-installer";
};

Default {
   Packages {
      Extensions ".deb";
      Compress ". gzip";
   };
};

Contents {
   Compress "gzip";
};</pre>
<p>* Inside your staging folder, run:</p>
<pre>apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-deb.conf
apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf generate /path/to/apt-ftparchive-udeb.conf
apt-ftparchive -c /path/to/apt.conf release dists/warty | tee dists/warty/Release
gpg --default-key MY_GPG_KEY_ID --output dists/warty/Release.gpg -ba dists/warty/Release
find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum | tee md5sum.txt
mkisofs -r -V "Chicken Little Remix" -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /tmp/clr.iso .</pre>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1601&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@3po&lt;/a&gt;, It&#039;s something rather different. For new projects, sure, why not, consider it against the alternatives, as per usual</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1601" rel="nofollow">@3po</a>, It&#8217;s something rather different. For new projects, sure, why not, consider it against the alternatives, as per usual</p>
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		<title>By: 3po</title>
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		<dc:creator>3po</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not Vala ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not Vala ?</p>
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		<title>By: sitaram</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1599</link>
		<dc:creator>sitaram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 14:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very funny, calling it &quot;CLR&quot; -- I like your sense of humour!

You need to understand one thing.  Just as &quot;developers&quot; can&#039;t be swayed by shouting and abuse on forums, &quot;users&quot; can&#039;t be swayed by blog posts that mis-characterise them.  &quot;Patronising&quot; is the word that comes to mind.  Maybe even &quot;preachy&quot;.

Let me explain.

[In the rest of this comment, I say &quot;I&quot; but I&#039;m pretty sure this applies to many, many others who may not want (or care) to post, but think similarly.]

Step 1: Most people in real life don&#039;t have a problem accepting that people are different.  I don&#039;t even try to convince anyone of anything unless I know them personally or they were *asking*.  I don&#039;t even &quot;write them off as stupid in my mind&quot; either :-)

Step 2: Ulterior motives?  See step 1: if I accept that you&#039;re different, why do I care about your motives?  [Anyway, I hardly ever ascribe ulterior motives to individuals.  Corporations are a different matter ;-)]

Step 3: lots and lots of detail.  Nice.  Good to know.  But totally useless; I&#039;d never even dream of getting into things at that level.  Doesn&#039;t matter why.  You can, in your own words, write me off as stupid if you like :)  And again, I&#039;m sure there are thousands like me.

Step 4: Contributions: same thing.  I&#039;d never be able to do anything remotely worth someone else picking up and using.  I&#039;m just not going in that direction.  My &quot;contributions&quot; to open source are much smaller than yours -- I install and maintain Linux for a bunch of non-tech friends and relatives around my city.  I&#039;m geek enough to manage a lot of things, but I don&#039;t code much anymore.  Other people may have other contributions.  Many may not have any at all, and that&#039;s fine.  In your book they don&#039;t have a vote, and that&#039;s fine too...  hey it&#039;s *your* book!

Step 5: I&#039;m not even fighting this one.  You go your way, I go mine, is my attitude.  I actually said that somewhere on this topic.

Step 6: See Step 3 and 4.

End result: people like me will start following some of these steps only when there is NO distro without mono.  Hopefully that will never happen.  Until then, please don&#039;t bother fighting us.  We&#039;re not actually fighting you.  You have enough on your hands dealing with the shrill screams from borderline crackpots like BCN, who are such a convenient whipping boy in this debate that no one realises we quiet folk exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very funny, calling it &#8220;CLR&#8221; &#8212; I like your sense of humour!</p>
<p>You need to understand one thing.  Just as &#8220;developers&#8221; can&#8217;t be swayed by shouting and abuse on forums, &#8220;users&#8221; can&#8217;t be swayed by blog posts that mis-characterise them.  &#8220;Patronising&#8221; is the word that comes to mind.  Maybe even &#8220;preachy&#8221;.</p>
<p>Let me explain.</p>
<p>[In the rest of this comment, I say "I" but I'm pretty sure this applies to many, many others who may not want (or care) to post, but think similarly.]</p>
<p>Step 1: Most people in real life don&#8217;t have a problem accepting that people are different.  I don&#8217;t even try to convince anyone of anything unless I know them personally or they were *asking*.  I don&#8217;t even &#8220;write them off as stupid in my mind&#8221; either :-)</p>
<p>Step 2: Ulterior motives?  See step 1: if I accept that you&#8217;re different, why do I care about your motives?  [Anyway, I hardly ever ascribe ulterior motives to individuals.  Corporations are a different matter ;-)]</p>
<p>Step 3: lots and lots of detail.  Nice.  Good to know.  But totally useless; I&#8217;d never even dream of getting into things at that level.  Doesn&#8217;t matter why.  You can, in your own words, write me off as stupid if you like :)  And again, I&#8217;m sure there are thousands like me.</p>
<p>Step 4: Contributions: same thing.  I&#8217;d never be able to do anything remotely worth someone else picking up and using.  I&#8217;m just not going in that direction.  My &#8220;contributions&#8221; to open source are much smaller than yours &#8212; I install and maintain Linux for a bunch of non-tech friends and relatives around my city.  I&#8217;m geek enough to manage a lot of things, but I don&#8217;t code much anymore.  Other people may have other contributions.  Many may not have any at all, and that&#8217;s fine.  In your book they don&#8217;t have a vote, and that&#8217;s fine too&#8230;  hey it&#8217;s *your* book!</p>
<p>Step 5: I&#8217;m not even fighting this one.  You go your way, I go mine, is my attitude.  I actually said that somewhere on this topic.</p>
<p>Step 6: See Step 3 and 4.</p>
<p>End result: people like me will start following some of these steps only when there is NO distro without mono.  Hopefully that will never happen.  Until then, please don&#8217;t bother fighting us.  We&#8217;re not actually fighting you.  You have enough on your hands dealing with the shrill screams from borderline crackpots like BCN, who are such a convenient whipping boy in this debate that no one realises we quiet folk exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustbin</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jo-  Good one, I get the joke--ROFL--but scanning blogs, it seems that not everyone does.  Too bad for them!!

Your blog post: well thought-out, measured in tone.  CLR: a master stroke, WELL DONE. Your roadmap for world domination of Debian/Ubuntu: I doubt any anti&#039;s will take you up, but if they do, they can only thank you for providing step-by-step instructions instead of shouting you down again!

Overall, I hope the tone and volume of this issue start trending down. You&#039;ve certainly done your part in pushing things this way.

--dB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jo-  Good one, I get the joke&#8211;ROFL&#8211;but scanning blogs, it seems that not everyone does.  Too bad for them!!</p>
<p>Your blog post: well thought-out, measured in tone.  CLR: a master stroke, WELL DONE. Your roadmap for world domination of Debian/Ubuntu: I doubt any anti&#8217;s will take you up, but if they do, they can only thank you for providing step-by-step instructions instead of shouting you down again!</p>
<p>Overall, I hope the tone and volume of this issue start trending down. You&#8217;ve certainly done your part in pushing things this way.</p>
<p>&#8211;dB</p>
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		<title>By: directhex</title>
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		<dc:creator>directhex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1592&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@jdetras&lt;/a&gt;, Sorry, I forgot to reply to this. I&#039;ll try and find the time this weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-1592" rel="nofollow">@jdetras</a>, Sorry, I forgot to reply to this. I&#8217;ll try and find the time this weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: jdetras</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>jdetras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 04:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post. Keep it up leading by example. You said that, 

&quot;...I’m happy to provide advice on how to modify packages and customize the Alternate ISO (something I have experience doing) as long as the name remains in place...&quot;

How do you do this? I am an Ubuntu user and not a developer or programmer and an enthusiast in making a linux box customized for my own needs. I tried Ubuntu Customization Kit but it can only use the dekstop ISO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post. Keep it up leading by example. You said that, </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;I’m happy to provide advice on how to modify packages and customize the Alternate ISO (something I have experience doing) as long as the name remains in place&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you do this? I am an Ubuntu user and not a developer or programmer and an enthusiast in making a linux box customized for my own needs. I tried Ubuntu Customization Kit but it can only use the dekstop ISO.</p>
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		<title>By: C.J. Adams-Collier</title>
		<link>http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/comment-page-1/#comment-1586</link>
		<dc:creator>C.J. Adams-Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that guy&#039;s nuts. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that guy&#8217;s nuts. ;)</p>
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